Talk:England Engine Tenders

Tender types

I've been thinking about the way the data is presented on this page and have a few questions, the answers to which might help to tidy the information up a little:

• Are the designations given here (type numbers) in any way "official" (or from some previous source) or were they created for this page?
• Were the tenders described here as "type 4" built new in that style or were they rebuilds of earlier types? The page itself and the Little Giants book seem to imply that the metal framed "type 4" tenders were the type 3s rebuilt (with sprung axle boxes, vacuum brakes and flared sides), but neither explicitly states this. Could it also be the case that the wooden frame type 4s were just the type 2s gradually rebuilt over the years with various new parts?

If it is in fact the case that the tenders evolved gradually between the types presented here perhaps the information on this page would better be presented as "Early tenders", "Wooden frame tenders" and "Metal frame tenders" instead of the current numbered types. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Ed Types are my way of differentiating between the different types of tender as with the Quarrymen's carriages (which was not my invention!- but I now use as official and include in Little Giants to help people understand the differences). Types 1,2 & 3 are all built new in that form. Type 4 is what they all became (with some wooden framed and some metal framed). No, please do not differentiate them by frame material as that is not the point in the types.

Regards

Chris

Thanks for confirming. I definitely think the article should make it clearer that the type 4s were rebuilds not brand new. I would also argue that if the types are to be kept that type 4 should be more clearly split into two (perhaps two article sections or subsections) in order to distinguish the separate origins.

Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand your last point Ed. The Type 4 is a 'design' type 4, ie suspension, sides. It does not matter if it is wooden framed or metal framed? It was the iteration of the general design I am cataloguing, as with the Quarrymen's carriages

Regards

Chris

I can see where you are coming from in that they look very similar and have similar features, perhaps the separate sections are not required. The main point I would like to make clearer is that the type 4s were an evolution rather than brand new tenders to a new design. I'll have a go at drafting some changes to the article in my sandbox over the next few days to see what I come up with. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:51, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

New Draft

I've written a new draft of this article in my sandbox: User:Eheaps/sandbox/England Engine Tenders. Hopefully the new version presents all the same information as currently but also tells the "story" in a better way. Any thoughts? Ed - Eheaps (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm happy Ed Chris