User talk:John22n2001
Add topicRecent amendment to Festipedia re NWNGR Carriages.[edit]
John
I know it is generally accepted that the NWNGR 4-wheelers came from Ashbury, but "generally accepted" is not the same as "known".
As your correction changes the status of their source from 'probable' to 'definite', I assume that you must therefore have proof that this source was indeed Ashbury. I would be most interested to see this proof, or to see a reference thereto.
The history of NWNGR rolling stock is in many ways murky indeed - any light that can be shed thereupon would be much appreciated!
Cheers
Peter Liddell Editor - Welsh Highland Heritage
Peterliddell (talk) 17:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
4w exhibited in Manchester 1876[edit]
With respect, I referenced the amendment when adding it - The Manchester Evening News for 1 May 1876.
This edition has just been added to the British Library Newspaper on line site.
In case you are not a subscriber the relevant extract is as follows :-
Manchester May Day – usual procession of horses and lurries. 315 horses and 250 lurries in the procession . . . . . The Midland and Lancashire Railway Companies had as usual a good show of horses and immediately following the heading of the Midland Railway were four lurries belonging to the Ashbury Railway Carriage and Iron Company. The first contained the smallest railway passenger carriage perhaps ever made, being apparently nine feet long, and running on wheels so small as to render a footboard or platform unnecessary. The buffing and coupling arrangements were in the centre of the carriage instead of the usual position. We understand the carriage has been constructed for running on the North Wales narrow gauge Railways and to all appearance will seat about 16 passengers. The gauge of the railway is under two feet. This vehicle forms a striking contrast to the large carriages made by the same firm for the Midland Railway Company, being about one-sixth the length of the latter.
As I have noted the numbers of the Ashbury Brake Composites, Nos 1 and 2 are confirmed by the 1 within the garter of the makers photograph. The fact that they were so numbered suggests they were built before or at the same time as the 4-wheelers.
(John22n2001 (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC))
Recent amendment to Festipedia re NWNGR Carriages.[edit]
John
Thank you for your response to my comment. If I might make a few points in reply?
First, please accept that I believe, always have believed, that the NWNGR 4-wheelers were built by Ashbury. However, as I said in my earlier comment, 'believing' is not the same as 'knowing'.
Second, I did note, and I was already aware of, the report in the May 1st 1875 edition of the MEN. Having read this, I was aware of their use of the words "we understand that.....". I do wonder why they did not 'know that' the carriage was destined for the NWNGR (which, of course, whilst it may have existed legally did not exist practically at the time of this report)? It seems clear that their reporter saw a carriage on the back of a "lurrie" but did not see, or did not record, positive information as to its destination.
By the way, thank you for your guidance towards the British Library resource, but I already subscribe to the British Newspaper Archive where I first read this article - I have been attempting to continue the late John Keylock's work on the history of the NWNGR so I am acutely aware that there is still much to resolve regarding this Railway.
You might call me pedantic, but simply because I 'believe', and somebody else 'understands', I have to conclude that neither of us 'knows' so, pending the discovery of more substantial information, I choose to exercise caution, hence my agreement with the earlier wording on Festipedia.
I was quite excited when you removed the phrase "the maker is not known" as I thought you must have found this 'concrete' information. However, apparently not.
We may all believe that these carriages came from Ashbury, as noted above I certainly do, but do we really 'know'?
Peter